I hear so many different opinions. Some say the cost of HD is so much less expensive but in the end it comes out equal to film when it comes time to transfer to film for theatrical release. And the quality isn't quite as good on the big screen. How true is that? - Cindy Martinez, Urban Indian Films LLC, urbanfilmcasting@yahoo.com
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HD 35mm blowup is not out of this world. Film out pricing runs virtually the same as finishing on film and the time saved is enormous. For editorial it is also a much neater, easier, cheaper way to go. Even films not shot on HD transfer to HD and never go back. -
"snapple2@earthlink.net"
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I know it's an emerging technology, but the RED camera is a real thing, the footage is amazing and actually quite cost effective.
Here's some people that have fallen in love with it (for whatever it's worth):
- Peter Jackson
- Steven Soderbergh
- DP of 24 (tv show)
- Jake Starkey - starkey_jake@grouply.com
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Cindy, please check the FILES (www.producersanddirectors.com) for some excellent write-ups on the cost of HD vs. film. As more theatres go digital, this won't even be a topic in a few years. Meanwhile, quality is based on perception (and how well your projectionist can focus). Some films need to be crisp, others want to look
like they were shot through old socks. Your best bet would be to set up a screening with your transfer house and/or lab. Then, you can judge what's best for your film.
- Norman C. Berns - ncberns@gmail.com
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I think the real answer to this question can determined by an experienced production person working alongside the DP, director and other creative contributors.
I've heard Tony Kaye turns the camera on and leave it. I've shot 80K feet of film for a :30 commercial. I've also shot 1900 feet for a :60. It depends on subject matter (action adventure sounds like a lot of footage), the DP and how confident the director is. Eastwood shoots only one or two takes. For him it sort of happens in rehearsals.
You might want to consider HD, depending on your finances.
I did a doc for Turner 15 years ago and I insisted on shooting tape. The TBS people thought I was crazy until I showed them the film budget with. They caved immediately.
Good luck. - Michael Deane - mbdeane@yahoo. com
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Certainly HD works for a 35mm blow-up theatrical.
Take a look at "Zodiac", "Collateral" ...all shot in high end HD. Film is getting to be an expensive proposition. Don't forget, buying the camera load footage is just the beginning. You'll have Dailies, Answer Prints, etc. plus numerous other pre-release prints to content with. A HUGH chunk of your budget will just go for that. So unless you're raising an investment $3 million or more, I'd be looking at HD like most indie productions. ..at 10% of the film costs. Then if you get a distribution deal (Big IF), you can negotiate with the Distributor to pick up the 35mm transfer costs... Frank Casanova, The Studio Center, Sacramento, CA. - fcasanova@foothill.net
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…Shooting Super 16 to HD cost $0.91per foot including stock processing and HD telecine on a Spirit. Shooting 35mm costs $1.20 per foot for the same. If you shoot Fuji Film the cost of raw stock is about 30% less. The other part of the equation is the cost of the gear. You can get some very good deals on film gear these days. The idea that film is going out of fashion is another myth. - Jonathan Guilbert, Producer/Director, Gandy Dancer Productions LLC, www.gandydancerproductions.com
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…this will be a non issue in 3-5 years. No one will be spending money shooting Film because there will not be a company producing any film to shoot. Sad to say but when did you stop riding your horse to work?? - B. Sean Fairburn SOC, Digital Cinematographer, seanfairburn1@mac.com
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"no one will be spending money shooting Film because there will not be a company producing any film to shoot."
Nice quote but I think the projected demise of 35mm film as an acquisition media is a little premature. I have talked to many good DP's, some of them actually still living & breathing, who still prefer the look, texture and various other production advantages of shooting film. Film and film camera technologies have been fine tuned over a very long period of time to capture a wide latitude of exposure under any type of shooting condition. I've worked with HD and digital capture cameras as well and they are great for many applications, but on the cost side there are items to consider with HD and data capture cameras -- a DIT or Data Capture tech to budget at a high rate equivalent to camera operator, a more labor-intensive post production workflow in some cases, and on the high end, more expensive cameras, monitors and archival equipment than you can find in the film chain.
That being said, I think production people, producers and DP's should examine each project for the right format decision. If a film has a guaranteed theatrical distribution, is not hugely dependent upon CGI or other digital effects like 3-D, and is moderately budgeted, film is still definitely the option that (in my experience at least) most directors and producers prefer to shoot on. If a DI can be afforded, shooting 3-perf will cut your film stock by 25%. Or Super-16 can cut that even further if going for a certain look. And Kodak and Fuji will be competitive with independent films.
Call Curtis Brown at Kodak and explain your situation. You can go the reseller route for even cheaper prices. If a film does not have distribution, is independently financed and under a million dollars, I would recommend HD or even HDV. All the major festivals can screen HD these days and audiences are becoming more accustomed to the look of digital and digital projection. If you have a lot of resources and studio backing and a lot of effects, check out the Genesis, Arri D20, Viper -- but do you homework on what post and production issues there are with these cameras.
If shooting on film, don't forget to budget for B and C Camera stock. I find many budgets woefully lacking in their estimates for additional camera (crew, equipment and stock) which are almost mandatory for short schedules and shows with action and effects. I always budget the same amount of footage for B-Camera as A, as I think it's a fallacy to think that your B-Camera operator and camera will not be utilized fully once the director has that resource on set.
I think digital capture HD will be used on the majority of features in coming years but I wouldn't throw film and film cameras out with the bathwater just yet.
- Brent Morris, 505-903-9802 - http://indieproduction.com
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I think digital capture HD will be used on the majority of features in coming years but I wouldn't throw film and film cameras out with the bathwater just yet.
I agree and I love shooting Film for the Look at the end. But nothing about it is faster easier or cheaper than HD.
3-5 years is still a Good estimate. TV today has a small %age of shows shooting Film where 5 years ago they were mainly shot on Film.
HD works in ALL areas not just CGI and effects heavy movies. The Sony F23 is the most amazing HD Camera available to shoot today and shoots 4:4:4 and can do ramping from 1 sec to 60P frames per sec. Its li’l Brother the F900R is smaller lighter and more Hand held and stadicam friendly; same images in 4:2:2
I Still Shoot 8x10 View Camera (because I love it) but whenever I go to Buy Film there are less options available. All but 3 stocks have been discontinued. At $30.00 per shot (Buy process and make a scan or proof print) it is outrageously expensive compared to my Digital Still Camera (2 GB stick endless number of Shots). Therefore, I shoot Great amazing one time only Shots I shoot on 8x10. Everyday shots I shoot digitally.
I look forward to teaching my Grandchildren how to shoot Motion Picture Film but I think it will be little more than a novelty at that time and I can already hear the complaining.
Why does it cost so much money?
Why do we have to put it in a Magazine in the dark grand-paw?
How come there is only 10 minutes?
Why is it so heavy?
Why do we have to use an air gun to put the film on the camera?
Why can't we see how good the shot is right NOW?
What's a lab and why should we send it to them?
How long it it going to take to get it back on Ultra High Def?
Why can't I see it in 3D?
I like riding horses also.
NOW is the time to begin looking at the costs of shooting and budgeting HD because it will be a much bigger part of everyone’s future than they may want to realize. If you are familiar with the story of Joseph and Pharaoh's Dream I would recommend as he did.
Take a 10th of each Film Project stock and set it aside gathering as you go, so that when you run out from your supplier you will be able to continue to shoot film when everyone else around you no longer have that Option.
Assuming there will be labs not shut down by the EPA (which is why the #1 Film consumer in the USA was forced to switch to digital...the Military). It’s also why AGFA had to get out of the Film business. The EPA may have more to do with the demise of film than the cost of HD. - Sean Fairburn SOC, 818 621 3912, Digital Cinematographer, Louisiana - seanfairburn1@ mac.com - Former Combat Camera Officer USMC